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America say that they have war against terorisam but that is not true
they have war in afganistan and iraq because of oil and they kill inocennt people

I am the also muslim but i am not terorist but i respect Osama bin Laden because he want to join all muslims in the one group also Ahmedinejad do that.

I have only seen bad muslims so far, they either feel like the best, can't even speak a word of english or they do bad things to any other human, give me a proof for why Muslims are good? I'm not a Racist or something, just stating the facts that muslims fk too much with other people and it's definetely shtty cause if muslims do this more and more they're gonna get it back big time which will end up in a real war. Not the one G.W. bush wanted to provocate by abusing the hatred of people.

because they look like Osama and also they are muslims liike him.......

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Terror

What is a terrorist?


The IRA where considerd to be terrorists when they bombed london many years ago, now the only reason they where bombing was because they themself where attacked. Ask yourselfs would you not take the exact same course of action as the so called terrorirsts are taking today ? keep in mind they don't have missiles that cost 8-12 million dollars to fire while sitting on their arm chairs.

The 9/11 was nothing but a complete distraction for what was ahead, not a single one of these so called suacide bombers accomplices have been captured today. Dont you find that a little bot odd to say the least. Also for example how does not 1 but 3 GIANT passanger jets go missing for that ammount of time and not get noticed untill they actually hit the targets.


Look at the live images from the penatagon for example, now do you see any plane debris scatterd on the ground. This was a giant passanger jet that crashed and was FULLY loaded with jet fuel. But when you look at the pictures and even on the live news feeds there was no sign of a passanger jet. This jet fuel would have been burning for days and days and days and there would be parts of that jet laying EVERYWHERE. Look at other passanger jet crash pictures on the net don't you see something a little bit odd in that picture.. look at lockerbie in scotland for example, do you not notice there is a lot of debris laying about, and i don't care if your hitting a building like the pentagon or hitting a hillside there is going to be debris.


Now let's move onto the so called towers that where "attacked" this one is really amazing to be honest. This building was designed to take impacts from passanger jets, as it's happened previoulsy in the past and it was even re inforced due to this.

Now it's been proven by various univerity groups that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt or weaken steel, it's just not hot enough. I mean come on seriously anyone who looked at the collapse can even notice it was controlled perfectly. Witness statements from fire fighters even mention they could hear what appears to be explosions "like bombs going off" when they where trying to escape.

I could go on and on for days about this since it's really insane how america can justify going to war with not 1 but 2 countrys over this incident without any SOLID proof being shown to the public. it's a case of the bad man did that so we are going to punish him now okay. I'm not saying all americans are trigger happy and bileave this garbage they are being feed by their goverment. Some if not most of the intellegent ones actually know there was something fishy about the incident.

Don't get me wrong some muslims don't actually follow the religeon properly as it's intended. Alot of the extremists use it as a tool to recruit angry people who are easily miss guided.

So after my wall of txt ask yourself this, IF YOUR COUNTRY WAS BEING BOMBED AND SLAUGHTERD WOULD YOU STAND BY AND LET THIS HAPPEN ?

Btw i'm not muslim and i'm actually white incase some posters start spamming me with you're a pakie indian muslim crap.


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Is Terrorism A Muslim Monopoly? - by Dr. Zakir Naik

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Terrorism/Terrorists was created by the goverment for one purpose and that's to bring fear to the public. So they can control the people easier and justify their military actions.

It's really that simple.

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The Reason that the US went to war IN Afghanistan not AGAINST IT was to Find the Taliban and the leader of the Taliban "Osama Bin Laden", Which after 9/11 the Taliban Claimed responsibility for the Attack, And Weedfreek, if you would research a little more they might have Re-Inforced the building to withstand a plane impact (Which it Did), Now take into Consideration that jet fuel burns at 1832 ºF or 1000 ºC, Now steel begins to MELT at 2500°F, In a building that has Aprox 100 Floor at a Square footage of 40k sqft per Floor and about 15 of these 100 floors are on Fire and Exposed to one another via collapsed areas after plane hit, Now you add in the Fact that the Fire in Tower 1 Burned for 106 Minutes, and in Tower 2 for Aprox 56 Minutes, that is more than enough time for the aprox 15 floors burning to Radiate enough of its heat Upwards to generate temperatures of 2500°F or Higher, because not only was jet fuel burning but there was Everything you could find on a 40k SqFt office floor, Computers, Printers, Desks, Cubicals, Paper, Carpet, Walls, Ceiling Panels, Wiring. Now if you add All of this combined with the Jet Fuel burning for 106 Mins in Tower 1, and 56 Mins in Tower 2, That goes to show that the buildings did their job as best they could for as long as they could but the Steel FAILED and the buildings Buckled under their own Weight, Now if you look at some video footage, the Towers didnt Fall exactly straight, they tops were angled just slightly showing that certain columns Failed shortly before others did, And once one main support column fails the whole building is bound to fall shortly after, The sounds of "Bombs going off" can be explained by Metal Snapping as it breaks free giving about 1-3 Seconds before the building would actually look like it was falling, So to all of you Conspiracy Theorists who believe that this was not a Terrorist attack, Well buzz off. As for the Pentagon, It doesnt matter how much Debris you see it matters the ANGLE at which this plane hit as to how much debris you would see, At the angle the plane hit most of the debris fell into the Cavity of the pentagon that was opened when it hit, And yes jet fuel will burn for along time unless you use a Foaming Agent instead of just water, as you see in most Airplane crashes they Spray FOAM, Well alot of Fire Trucks have FOAM Reserves on the Engines, thus allowing them to put out Gasoline or in this case Jet Fuel Fires.

If you want to debate i will be more than happy to, Its called google, Use it to look at your facts before you post nonsense.

The pentagon had NO fire damage from a passenger plane full of jet fuel, Do you find that a little bit odd. Look at the pictures from the incident you can actually see into the offices and there is NO fire damage at all.

Your explanation about FOAM is also bullshit buddy that jet fuel would still have burnt the pentagon to the ground before it was successfully extinguished. There is also no pictures of any FOAM being used at the pentagon to back your "facts" up buddy.

Also while you're on google can you please search for how many buildings with steel structures have collapsed due to fire damage. Oh and sorry jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel.

I'll continue this debate gladly.

Oh and for the war in afghanistan, this war was going on for years and years before it was made public, suggest you google somemore and find out who actually created the taliban and who trained them.

Yes it was the mighty united states of america You think they would have learned their lesson after arming iraq so many years ago.

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Quote: Originally Posted by weedfreak The pentagon had NO fire damage from a passenger plane full of jet fuel, Do you find that a little bit odd. Look at the pictures from the incident you can actually see into the offices and there is NO fire damage at all. Your explanation about FOAM is also bullshit buddy that jet fuel would still have burnt the pentagon to the ground before it was successfully extinguished. There is also no pictures of any FOAM being used at the pentagon to back your "facts" up buddy. Also while you're on google can you please search for how many buildings with steel structures have collapsed due to fire damage. Oh and sorry jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to weaken steel. I'll continue this debate gladly. Oh and for the war in afghanistan, this war was going on for years and years before it was made public, suggest you google somemore and find out who actually created the taliban and who trained them. Yes it was the mighty united states of america You think they would have learned their lesson after arming iraq so many years ago.

now you say no offices burned in the Pentagon huh?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...gon_347626.jpg

That picture clearly shows alot of offices burned or burning on the pentagon, And if you look at the base of the pentagon where the plane was supposed to have "HIT" you can see a Wider destruction path at the base of the building which would have been from the wings.

As Seen in this Photo Foam IS BEING SPRAYED ON THE PENTAGON!

http://www.twf.org/News/Y2009/0101-engine331.jpg

Now as i discussed in my Last Post, Yes Jet Fuel ALONE is not enough to weaken steel, But combine Jet Fuel with, Wood, Paper, Styrofoam, Plastic, Rubber, and about anything else you would find that burns in an Office building and the fire has the strength to get more than HOT Enough with the Combined heat of the Jet Fuel and Burning Material from 15 different Floors all of which were on Fire at the same time.



Actually steel framed buildings have collapsed from fire alone. That's why every steel-frame building on the face of the earth has fire-proofing around the steel, to protect it.

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Whether or not any steel-frame building ever collapsed from fire alone is irrelevant to the Twin Tower collapse.

The towers mainly collapsed due to the large number of supports being knocked out by the jets. The remaining supports had to bear the weight, almost to their load limit.

As NIST (National Institute of Science & Technology) says:

"About 60% of the 60 columns of the impacted face of framed-tube were severed, and many more were significantly deflected. This caused stress redistribution, which significantly increased the load of some columns, near the load capacity for some of them."

This meant the towers were near collapse from the impact alone. At this point, the fire weakened the remaining supports. (Steel has no strength when even modestly heated & the fire-proofing had been blown off by the impact)

The internal supports thus bent and sagged downward. This pulled in the perimeter columns. In fact, photographs of the Towers show the exterior columns bending inward, & this is clear evidence that the steel inside was failing. The exterior columns then snapped inward & collapse ensued.

See the lead investigator from NIST explain how the buildings collapsed at
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Buildings & bridges collapsed by fire alone:

On 2/12/2005, a fire started in the Windsor building in Madrid, Spain, a 32-story tower framed in steel-reinforced concrete. In spite of the fire-proofing (concrete), the building collapsed, solely due to failure of the steel frame due to heat-weakening. See
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The “Bay Bridge MacArthur Maze” near San Francisco, CA, collapsed 4/29/2007 from a fire started from a tanker truck. There was no structural damage from a crash.

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List of buildings with steel frames collapsing:
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Another list of buildings with steel frames collapsing:
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Also, every single steel-frame building on earth has FIRE-PROOFING around the steel frame. Why do you think they do that?


And we Continue the Debate.

WEEEEDFREEEAAAAKKK why havent you Replied? i am in the Debate mood lol

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